Sunday, August 29, 2010

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clarifications on RICA *, the catechumens and the "neo-catechumenate"



Neocatechumenals I say that the Way "is neither an association nor a movement, but" Postbaptismal Christian initiation for adults'. "

I studied canon law at university, let me give two explanations. From a pastoral point of view, the Neocatechumenal can be defined as you want. Way, movement, group, charisma, a determination can describe it in a more or less beautiful. From a legal point of view - the only thing that the state must regulate - the Way is a private association of faithful . In fact there are two forms of associations of the faithful in the Church, under the current code (that of 1983, the first was different): public associations, which are those established by the Holy See for the whole Church or a regular for his diocese, and private associations, which are made by the believers themselves (with or without participation of the clergy), and which may or may not be recognized at a later time Authority. The Neocatechumenal , from a legal standpoint, is precisely a private association, having been founded by two faithful in the '60s, and had not yet been finally approved.

is good to separate the definitions emotional and pastoral, from the legal . A State may not make white what is black or that black is white.

from the considerations made by some Neocatechumenals, it appears that the Way can not be universally valid for all, or at least able to satisfy everyone, but only who is without faith and requires a process of "rehabilitation." If you have a mature faith thus does not need the method neocatecumenale, and can easily live as a Catholic. Remains to be seen with the criteria that qualify a faith Neocatechumenals mature enough not to need the Way ...

neocatecumenale to defend the method, the members say that there are people that sometimes it moves away at once to hear speak clearly of theology, tradition, exegesis, teaching, maybe even cursing. This is sad, but my experience is not (nor many others I know) and indeed, especially in those who had fasted for religious practice, to know exactly certain notions of catechism or theology, or otherwise, was always of great interest. However, if the plain speaking is not always effective, I hope glad that the resetting of Christian Initiation of Adults Neocatechumenal (but think it too long) leads to a master and a familiarity with the theology, Catholic exegesis and teaching, and not remain at the level of "charismatic" as is often sad to note.

The Neocatechumenals are often leverage on the approval of the Statutes of 2002. But the approval of the statutes is to be understood experimentally for and will expire in June 2007. It concerns only the statutes and not liturgical practice, the catechetical method , the practical methodology nor doctrinal content of catechetical directory, as expressed in the statute textually approved, requires a separate approval, which to date has not yet came (or were published fourteen volumes of the catechetical directory).

I remember a lecture by the then Cardinal Ratzinger, 1993, I found written on Viva Church (a publication still hostile to the Catholic Church itself, when I do not have the availability of other references, but for me I will open them at a later time ), where an application for a faithful regard to the doctrines contained in the "mamotreti," the cardinal replied: " We were assured that the contents of the directory has not expressed any doctrinal element that is different from the catechism, but it is only the description of a methodological practice. However, I hope, with God's help, we can come to a solution of the problems that put us these "guidelines" . You

sad to note that many members of the Neocatechumenal I do not know for what purpose, they said against all evidence that the approval of the statutes imply approval of the liturgy (which was finally forbidden by Arinze's letter of 1 'in December 2005) and the directory (which is still shown as yet to be verified).

emphasize that the Statutes of the Way are very terse and simple and in fact do not say anything important, if not a generic description of the private association of the faithful, called Neocatechumenal and presenting roses in the relationship with the church hierarchy (remains to be seen how and how much will actually applied by Neocatechumenals). There are described the practice, there are described the rituals, but some general rules and rules that are observed in the election of catechists and internal governance. As in all the statutes of associations, in fact. On

public confessions, it sadly wrong to give those who have watered down and bland image. The term confession does not indicate the sacrament of "reconciliation", but a part of it, that the mere accusation of sins (total or partial) that is carried on pressing questions catechists in front of the whole community on the occasion of 'Ballots'. According to St. Thomas Aquinas (in the third part of the Summa Theologica ) is always possible to "confess", regardless of the sacrament of penance or reconciliation. He even says that this practice, although it does not replace the sacrament, can be useful for example in the point of death, to raise the perfect contrition, the dying man that can not otherwise access the priest (the priest can only administer absolution).

About the " ballots " Neocatechumenals often say that the "ballots" would be equal to the Way RICA (Rite of Christian Initiation of Adults), but this is false .

must first be said that we respect the Way only the structure of RICA (with three ballots, and delivery of the Creed and the Our Father), but not the content . The RCIA as a "ballot" means simply a prayer during the Mass, which includes an invocation, an exorcism with some responsories, and the dismissal of the catechumens. I am familiar with this ritual, as I have participated in Rome. All this did not last long, very briefly, only time and a small prayer of the priest's sermons. It is not identical to the practice neocatecumenale.

Based on the testimonies and the reading of the various texts of the Way, however, there are several additions to the "ballots" Neocatechumenals. For example, the practice of holding questionnaires and being interviewed the same with the so-called "obligation" to respond . Sorry to say, but such a practice is a form of public confession he who is chosen by lot to read his answers accuses his sins.

There are various justifications for example that this method makes the members more connected to the community and increases the brotherhood and closeness (but the same arguments to qualify a sectarian behavior: if everyone is aware of my worst sins, if I move away from the community could retaliate by making them aware of). Others have said accusingly that whoever is ashamed of themselves as sinners in front of the brothers is a bad Christian, and did not understand the value of the Church of the sacrament of penance, according to the teachings of Hernández:
was introduced by the Church just around the fifth-sixth century (since you think so far the only forgiveness of sins would be the same baptism, in spite of the Gospel is read "If you forgive the sins are forgiven and who not forgive them, they are retained ", Jn 20:23);
took place publicly in the early centuries only to remove the "excommunication" as anti-excommunication excommunication and were known at the time the only forms of punishment for sin, not "grace" and "loss of the state of grace", ie the first church had only a hole "outside" and not a hole "inside."
this idiocy, in vogue in the 70s at liturgists as heretics Bouyer, have had the demerit of having moved the ecclesial theology by the concept of 'mystical body', the concept of "assembly". Sad are the words of Hernandez, while critical of the auricular confession as a form of "privatization of the sacrament" as such would have to be (in her) Community. But this is a serious mistake: the sacrament is "the Church", not "Community" that is celebrated by the Church through the minister acting in persona Christi , namely in the person of the Head of the Church, and all of the members joined him. A sacrament celebrated by one or two people (one put "private", an auricular confession) has the same degree of ecclesial nature of a sacrament celebrated in front of a million people (such as the Mass at Marienfeld). The reasoning is simple: the celebrant is always Christ, that is the whole mystical body.

witnessing but a conversion to materiam (especially in the Way): the symbol (the assembly) becomes meaningless (the Church). But the assembly is not the Church: they were also all in God's grace and not excommunicated latae sententiae (something very uncommon, especially today), a portion would be small and numerous the Church, which also includes absent, and blessed purgatory, Mary, angels and Jesus

the light of what was said originally, we understand why the insistence on the assembly of the Way. If the Way aims to address the misfits and those who have no more faith, to use tangible symbols may be more useful than a lot of theory. Provided that you take are not committed blunders and abuse, however, if one by dint of hearing people say that the Church is the community, in the end, instead of understanding that you are using a symbol, he thinks that the church is really small group of people in the community. Unfortunately, these errors and blunders are all that is almost systematically done, confirming that something has gone wrong in the Way.

regard to public confession to be said that historically it is not practically never existed, and the very rare cases (very limited, and behavior can be ascribed to "Seven") have unfortunately been enhanced in recent years by some progressive theologians in the mood for exotic novelties. The modern liturgical confuse it with the generic accusation of sin, but that is an apostolic tradition (the Confiteor , so to speak, where you recognize sinners generation). The confession of particular sins, however, is always achieved through a headset, and private. It is indeed a grave sin of scandal to the advertising of their moral conduct, liability of any severity. It is also - of course - contrary to the practice of the Church, which houses the internal forum as a place only known by God, by imposing the confessional secrecy (even to those who listen confession without being a priest) is that the penitent to confessor usque ad sanguinis effusionem (at the cost of losing the feathers).

It is therefore absolutely impossible the possibility of a charge in front of third persons, as well as entirely unjustifiable. Even in the case of collective reconciliation of penitents (in cases of imminent danger of death) not There has never, nor was there ever a case of a public accusation of sins with possible referral to the private confession later. The possibility of general public without the individual private confession does not relieve you from having to confess the sins forgiven privately as soon as possible reconciliation with the collective (in some places in Latin America this possibility is misused for the opposite reason: many people carry in a hurry without having to hear individual confessions).

The public confessions are one of the most serious abuses of the Way , and absolutely to be remedied urgently. Back to

RICA: RICA to apply the categories of "ballots" of the Way, useless and even misleading. The RICA is an expression of an ancient practice in the Church, the initiation adults. It was abandoned for the simple reason that the Church, firmly established, had become the universal religion and baptism began to be administered once, in the first days of life of children. A preparation for the baptism had become useless then for two reasons: there were no more catechumens, as it already was born Catholic, and was not a path to get to baptism, since it was given in childhood by educating the family.

Today, many Christians have apostatized (formally or practically), and most do not baptize their children, it is useful to revisit this practice back since they reappeared with what the catechumens (not those of the Way, eh!)

The lack of catechumenate until recently was not a bad thing: they make up with the preparation Confirmation, and a fervent Christian life and shared that lasted the whole life. Today catechumenate is reserved, as before, only to candidates' entry in the Catholic religion, that is, those who still have not received baptism.

Who by the grace of God has already received baptism can not and should return catechumen. It should not, because there can be prepared to receive what already received, can not, because the catechumenate is formally an "order", a class of people who are outside the Church, but joined in voting at least to it, and when one starts with a formal ceremony.

The Neocatechumenal wanted to copy the practice of the catechumenate, proposing it for those who had already baptized. But being members of the Way does not mean being the catechumens , although there is so called (that's why in order to qualify members of the Way is the best term Neocatechumenals instead of "neocatechumens" or "catechumens").

also considers highly inappropriate to pose to those who have not yet received the grace of Baptism and the character of the Sons of God, by those already baptized. Those who have been baptized deserves to be encouraged and supported in the dignity that has not to be degraded "not Catholic" ambiguous in practice, plus doing some bizarre commingling: the catechumens could not attend Mass, but only readings, nor could they have roles in the church, while compensating for this Neocatechumenals with participation in a Mass with a number of cuts according to the degrees of Neocatechumenate and admit Neocatechumenals to have active roles, such as a catechist.

Quest'ammaccata copy of Christian does not make much sense, I think it might well be replaced by a different approach, the rediscovery of confirmation, ie confirmation of its discovery of Catholics, and not something that has already worked, "ex opere operato" . But of course this will not be discovered with catechesis containing a swarm of appalling errors and heresies.

In any case I think it's highly inappropriate to mimic the rites of the Church (applies to the sacraments, for the RICA, etc.. Etc..), And reform according to their taste, removing this because "it makes little sense," that "it is bad", that "it will be later."

is finally noted that in the past the attitude of many Neocatechumenals was totalitarian, not possible and as humble as can happen today nicely shows that (always with the risk of hitting a few cases of person who uses a pure form, a hypocritical etiquette, a language "policy" to give the impression of humility that there is not). The Way was presented as the elite of Catholicism, or at least how to be worthy of the name, by degrading others shapeless mass of lemmings from "Mass on Sundays and stop." Obviously there is much more than the Neocatechumenal a thousand ways of being Catholic are so healthy and full, without attending Argüello and followers with attached catechesis and songs. If the saints of the past (and recent past) have become saints without RICA and without the Way, the Way means that, once cleansed of all the errors and abuses, could be useful but not essential.

would be great to reflect and explain that the Christian life is a life consistent with Christ and not to a group , and that the term "itinerary of Christian formation valid for the man of today "is non-exclusive, is not the practice for the man of today.

Saturday, August 28, 2010

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Seminars CNC "Redemptoris Mater" Neocatechumenals

Seminars CNC "Redemptoris Mater"
inconsistencies, misrepresentations
A proper update, which it remains only in the expectations and hopes, because so far nothing has really changed! Despite in his speech at the meeting of 10 January , the S. Father has said, among other ... "I thank the Chancellor and his colleagues at the Redemptoris Mater seminary in Rome for the educational work they perform. Their task is not easy, but very important for the future of the Church. Therefore, I encourage them to continue this mission, taking addresses training as proposed by the Holy See and the Diocese . The objective which we must seek by all educators is to prepare priests are well integrated into the diocesan clergy and the parish pastoral and diocesan .
But how to reconcile these words centered with the fact that the statute continues to assign the dominant role of leadership to the laity, which leaves unchanged the stigma about this page?

Seminars RM, according to the statute, "are built by the diocesan bishops, in agreement with the International Team Head of the Way, and are governed according to the rules for the formation of diocesan clergy and incardination and according to its statutes, implementing Ratio fundamentalis institutionis sacerdotalis. In they are candidates for the priesthood in participation in the Neocatechumenal a specific element of the training and basic . "

How is it that the founders of the way with both formative role in the founding of the seminars the same dignity of bishops?
for the fact that priests who have retired from Redemptoris Mater is due exclusively to Kiko (or entities associated with it: the catechists) there is absolutely no doubt. Also no doubt that these seminars, although still formally the diocesan ordinary, in fact, have a training and management independence. Seminars are parallel to those of traditional not be denied.
not neglect what he thought the Pope and the text is taken from the Address of John Paul II to priests of the communities Catechumenals, Monday, December 9, 1985:
"" The first requirement is imposed that there is to know mantener faith, within the Communities, your priestly identity. By virtue of their ordination you have been marked with a special character that conformed to Christ the Priest, so you can act on its behalf (cf. PO 2). The sacred minister must then be accepted not only as a brother who shares the journey of the Community itself, but also as one who, acting in persona Christi ", carries the responsibility of Master irreplaceable, sanctifying and guiding the souls to whom responsibility In no way give up. Lay must be able to grasp these realities by responsible behavior that you keep. It would be illusory to believe that serve the Gospel, by diluting your charism in a false sense of humility or in misunderstood manifestation of brotherhood. I will repeat what has already had occasion to tell the assistants of international associations Catholic Church: "Do not be fooled! The Church wants priests and lay people you meet will want nothing but priests and priests. The confusion of charisms impoverishes the Church, not the rich "(John Paul II, Homily, 4, 13 December 1979: Teachings of Pope John Paul II, II / 2 [1979] 1391)."

And before that, remember As the then Cardinal Ratzinger stated in the letter " Sacerdotium ministerial." Some questions regarding the minister of the Eucharist of August 6, 1983
think they have taken into account, while they advertise and become stronger than any words of approval and encouragement. But of these, very eloquent and meaningful, what they did and still make it? Andateglielo to say, if you can!
And, again, the Catechism of the Catholic Church:
1562 "Christ, consecrated and sent into the world by the Father, through his Apostles made partakers of his consecration and mission of their successors, the bishops, who have legitimate expectations, in varying degrees, the office of the ministry of several parties in the Church [Conc Ecumenical Council, Lumen Gentium, 28]. "The [their] ministerial function was passed in a subordinate degree to priests so that they, being in the Order of the priesthood, were collaborators of the Order of Bishops, for the proper fulfillment of the apostolic mission entrusted by Christ "[Conc Ecumenical Council, PO 2].

1563 "The office of priests, being closely united to the Order of Bishops, participates in the authority by which Christ himself builds up and sanctifies and rules his Body. For this reason, the priesthood, while indeed it presupposes the sacraments of Christian initiation, is conferred by that special sacrament for which the priests by the anointing of the Holy Spirit, are marked with a special character which configures them to Christ as Priest, in order to act on behalf and in the person of Christ the Head "[Conc Ecumenical Council, PO 2].
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1567 "Priests, prudent cooperators with the episcopal order and its support and instrument, called to serve the People of God, constitute one single priesthood with their bishop, although with differing offices. In each local assembly of believers make, so to speak, present the bishop, they are united in a spirit of trust and generosity, in sharing part of its duties and solicitude and in their daily practice "[Second Vatican Ecumenical Council , Lumen Gentium, 28]. The priests can not exercise their ministry if not dependence on the bishop and in communion with him. The promise of obedience they make to the bishop at the time of ordination and the kiss of peace from the bishop at the end of the ordination liturgy mean that the bishop considers them his co-workers, his sons, his brothers and his friends, and that in return, they owe him love and obedience.

1568 "Priests, made by order of the priesthood ordering, are all joined together in a priestly fraternity, but in a special way they form a single priesthood in the diocese to which they are attached under their own bishop "[Conc Ecumenical Council, PO 8]. The unity of the priest finds expression in the liturgical tradition according to which, during the ordination rite, the priests, after the bishop, require also the hands.
are all things that, when ordering, if only the 'formal', seminarians RM adhere too. The problem is that then, instead of obeying the bishops obey Kiko and their organizational structure.

What one wonders, what the Bishops say about all this? Because they enabled the proliferation and perpetuation of this 'indigestible soup'? The fact is
that seminaries are cranking out RM "priests" to kikismo faithful, who will join in the near future of that hierarchy, ( in the current path is marked by the inverted cross pictorially [ see in reference to John Paul II]), which would be so bent to the will of the vertices inside Neocatechumenals. Understand the difference between high priests sometimes favorable to the path and those who are fanatics prelates of the way and completely dependent on Kiko / Carmen (from their practices, their theology and liturgy, of which we now have only a "little taste") and their offspring legally constituted.
We know this is a frightening scenario, but to fully understand what is necessary to curb this phenomenon which threatens to distort the essence of the Roman Catholic Apostolic Church.
Because now it is a fact that the journey is an end in sex, what about those families and all the seminarians around the world to the so-called implantation ECCLESIAE, but actually to disseminate the verb and methods kikiani?
Stop Kiko and Carmen can, and indeed it should. Is that Arinze's letter had no effect, not enough, therapy should unfortunately, be more radical, it must call into question the principles and basic shapes of the CNC must destroy 'the spell' that keeps tied together (check with skills that Kiko has been placed to protect 'sacrificing' one of his pawns leading Mr. Gennarini).
The real problem is: you can save 'both ways'? If there really was CNC Christian initiation, the individual members would also be safer for the if there were fewer neocatecumenale hierarchy, would be protected by the Catholic tradition and the primacy of Peter. If you really were inserted in the parishes, the loss of the hierarchy neocatecumenale not have serious consequences.
The fact is that the CNC all these features are just a braggart, smoke and mirrors for the pastors and the faithful. We believe that the Holy See will continue his calls for degrees in beyond hope of repentance to come and that if some will be a long and difficult process.
thank the Lord who gave us Pope Benedict XVI, appoggiamolo also in prayer and remain faithful to his teaching and in the meantime, we keep our eyes open to see the reality:
basic considerations:
According to Kiko Arguello Redemptoris Mater seminaries are born by the decree''Presbyterorum Ordinis''No. 10: "Let them remember that priests must therefore be at their heart a concern for all churches ... It is called for apostolic reasons (lack of priests) will facilitate not only a functional distribution of priests, but also the implementation of specific pastoral initiatives ... For this purpose there should be the creation of international seminars ... for the good of the whole church, according to rules to be determined for each of these institutions and respecting the rights of the local Ordinary. "
And again: Seminars RM, according to the Regulations, "are built by the diocesan bishops, in agreement with the International Team Head of the Way, and are governed according to the rules for the formation of diocesan clergy and incardination and according to its statutes, implementing Ratio fundamentalis institutionis sacerdotalis. In them are candidates for the priesthood in participation in the Neocatechumenal a specific, basic element of the training. "
first evidence that you can see:
How is it that the founders of the way with both the formative role founding of the seminars the same dignity of bishops? In fact greater, because as a bishop has jurisdiction in his diocese, Kiko has jurisdiction over all the seminaries in every diocese in the world.
consequences of all this:
On the way there are two types of priests:

  1. those who not only have formed in the RM and that should not follow the teachings of the Church (though expected to attend courses in the faculties of theology theological), but are subject to all training completed neocatecumenale (stages, steps, ballots, obedience to the catechists)

  2. but also those who, despite having studied in a regular diocesan seminary, have found their vocation and have always exercised their ministry, or nearly so, on the road, or at least linked to their communities and absorb and adapt perfectly to the content and methods, rather than act as guides, rulers of the community, as the Pope and it is the prerogative of the Catholic priests ...
Notwithstanding that the ordination of priests Redemptoris Mater is valid because made by the bishops, but one wonders if the their priestly action can not be invalidated by believing and professing different things from those taught by the Church and in the celebration of the Eucharist (Protestant Supper and not sacrifice, symbolic presence and not real) and in the administration of the sacraments, especially that of reconciliation and also to believe in perfect identification with the Church of the Way, which are totally erased 2,000 years of history and teachings (from Constantine to the Vatican, taken as the foundation of the Way, without applying the continuity as stated and restated by the Pope) ... ergo we act and work in the name of the road considering that it is the true Church ...
Priests MRI validly ordained priest. On this there can be no doubt. But the validity of the order received does not imply an automatic Catholicity of the Priest himself. The validly ordained priest is formally Catholic. His intentions - very important - and his pastoral work, or put the seal to this Order ... or deny the fact. The fact that many schismatics or heretics were validly ordained priests did not stop or that they were heretics or schismatics. If anything, their state Clerical aggravates the fact.
Seminarians of RM attend various courses at the diocesan seminary and then give you the exam, like their colleagues neocatharsis. So it is difficult to formally accuse them of heresy. It will also be difficult for a priest NC put in writing their own vision of the church, precisely because the journey never take official positions and personal, only the founders can do, so it will be impossible to prove heresy.
Eventually the largest ambiguity, to predict the Way as normal diocesan formation program WHOLE ITER, in Redemptoris Mater, proved to be a 'horse Trojan 'to creep into the Church, despite the attempt to cattolicizzare NC made the journey through the instrument of the Statutes approved experimentally for the first , and now finally, but - as is well known - never applied by the Way, which treated them and them as the only formal recognition and legitimacy of its existence and identity of his tough, which is not clear from the statutes, as many of the practices ultraquarentennali there are neither planned nor regulated then, as they continue to be unduly subject to the 'Arcane' term it is not suitable to Christianity as a sect ...
Also in line with the reasoning as before, and in view of what it means to the ministerial priesthood for the Church, what should a priest RM - RM or not living within its pastoral care of the Way NC - in front of directives the Pope and the Diocesan Bishop on Pastoral Liturgy and taking into account the hierarchical structure of the Church? In other words, because it obeys the directives of Kiko rather than those of the Pope on the liturgy, which he dictated the letter of the card. Arinze? There should be no action and attention of the Church against its priests (assuming its even as those formed by RM Seminars - which are de facto if not de jure are -) that are to follow a secular rather than the Pope? Why was not used and not used paving severity used against Lefevbriani, much less distant from the Catholic Tradition?
The heart of the problem is how can we accept the ecclesial role of a priest who has received training to learn to reject some of the truths taught by the Church. It therefore requires a more specific question: When involved the consistency and absolute fidelity to the tenets, this is not a reason to discredit the order? What is the point from the standpoint of canon law to reaffirm the validity of an order denying in fact a part of theology? The disavowal

theological and dogmatic denial are not we be the validity decay regulated directions? These were not exactly conducive to condemn in the past have done for so many religious heresy variously creative and imaginative interpretation of the Scriptures and their role? These questions, sooner or later, will have get on the board of the Congregation for the Clergy, investing directly because the essence of the priestly office, is now seriously compromised by the formation of neocatecumenale 'priests' of the Way.
The Church must take into account that while there are many Christians who no longer attend Mass in parishes in which they operate only Neocatechumenals and there is no other ministry did not consider valid, in good conscience, the celebration officiated by the priests of the NC Way!
For our part, we suspend all our consideration, deferring to what the Holy See will not fail to show up all the concerns raised by the NC Way.
And now, the latest news
reported from the site Catechumenium
Three new Redemptoris Mater seminaries, one in Pakistan

It ended last weekend at the International Centre of Neocatechumenal "Servant of Yahweh" in Porto San Giorgio (Ascoli Piceno) coexistence of the traditional annual seminarians from the Redemptoris Mater Seminaries all the world, along with aspiring seminarians from communities throughout the five continents, who have concluded the time of personal discernment about the vocation to the priesthood, who lived in the various vocational centers.

The wait for the announcement of new workshops, in addition to 64 already existing, it is not disappointed. In fact, Kiko has announced that will soon open three new seminars RM:

- Murcia (Spain) (which so far has given many vocations, Kiko says there is no RM Seminar where there is a vocation of Murcia )
-Dar es Salaam (Tanzania) (where Cardinal Polycarp Pengo asked him for a long time, a hope more for the evangelization of Africa, which proceeds despite the many difficulties);
- Pakistan (one of the few Islamic countries that let the missionaries), even miraculous event in relation to recent events involving the person of the Holy Father for the (wonderful) "speech in Regensburg.

It was also then created the seminar "mixed" in Venice , already announced last year, but that the Patriarch Cardinal Ettore Scola launched this year alone (Such as that experienced in Florence) that is where the brothers (for now a couple) live and participate in the life of the diocesan seminary pre-existing, but with permission to continue the journey in local communities, participate in partnerships, to the period of itinerancy preparation for the mission as all the other seminarians RM.

This is also a good news that shows, once again had it not been already sufficient in the past, as the Way is open to collaboration with the diocese without his distorted view of the peculiarity of training boys for the priesthood from the experience neocatecumenale.

Of all this we can justly give praise to God
AS - catechumenium.it
Comment:
'The Way is open to collaboration with the diocese', as they say, or are those who collaborate with the journey by accepting the terms of the way seminarians who continue their education NC.
you think the exact wording 'has been opened a joint seminar'? for the simple release of two seminarians NC? It is not the usual conjugation of the facts from the point of view neocatecumenale which also goes against all logic?
Now go to 'pollute' is also the diocesan seminaries? Perhaps the Bishop has decided to have them under control, but in reality it is because he sbracato host and teach (at the expense of the diocese) and they continue their education NC ...!!!!
However, if just two Neocatechumenals seminarians in diocesan seminary for it to become "mixed", imagine what they can never mean the "over 64 seminars RM" in the picture.
As for diction
seminar "mixed", probably is much more straightforward to assume a kind of punishment imposed on seminarians Scola RM neocatecumenale rather than a pollution of the diocesan seminary (we already know that the Neocatechumenals are able to present the "beatings" received as if they were high premiums: we have printed on the face an expression of surprise at the acrobatic performances Gennarini of Kiko and the beginning of this year in order to Arinze's letter).
way: if you look in the internet you will find that Ettore Scola is a director of Italian comedies, just as the announcement of three new "seminars" If you look in the internet RM Angelo Scola finally found Patriarch of Venice.
Evidently, the Neocatechumenal editor of the news (and the repeater copy and paste the site Segnideitempi) are more familiar with the films broadcast on TV ("Let 'talk about women", "The arch-fiend," "dance dance", "The Journey of Captain Fracassa", "Will our heroes to find his friend mysteriously disappeared in Africa? "," ugly dirty and bad "," The new monsters, etc..: all titles that seem comically addressed to Neocatechumenals) rather than the Cardinal Patriarch of Venice.
An old adage said: "Do not hate the flatterers, for they are useful: in fact well know to identify your faults and report them in a gentle way."
Well, this applies perfectly to the press release propaganda neocatecumenale:
"This is also a good news that shows, once again if it were not already enough in the past, as the Way is open to collaboration with the diocese without seeing distorted its peculiarity of training boys for the priesthood from neocatecumenale experience. "
Italian translation:
"Even on this article (as usual we are obliged to present as good) demonstrates once again that candidates for the priesthood from experience neocatecumenale not want to train in a seminar normal not to see the distorted features of the road.
"Yes, you read that right:" distorted "did not say" little value "or" ignored ", but even" distorted "evidently" nature "of the walker is in contrast with the most basic characteristics required for training priesthood.
"This clearly contradicts the claims half a second before, because if the Way" collaborators "with the diocese, there would be no need to open seminars Neocatechumenals: a young man who wants to become a missionary priest and there should be enough (but this could only happen if the Way do the same things that makes the whole Church, which has never happened).
"The opening of a seminar is a great RM news for the Way, because it means the ability to propagate the kikismo else in the world and, if possible, bishops of the candidates for the future (it being understood that the problem is not enough to become bishops, priests be affected).
is the last straw! CI Excuse Both Bishops, but they are sleeping or pretend not to see and feel?
Finally it was announced the opening of a new seminary in NC Pakistan! A reality 'so-called' Catholic in a Muslim country!
Certainly not enough to announce the birth of a seminar from there until leaving for Pakistan the priests, will be only one residence in any one geographical location (only, more dangerous than the other).
If it were true it would still be a huge publicity stunt, the fact that in reality functions would, however, to be verified. Note, however, the cunning
: Kiko would fall in any case still standing:
- if nothing happened, well, a crowning achievement for him
- were to go badly for those poor people in Pakistan ... try a little 'thinking which unfortunately would procure the propaganda of the CNC?
What about the use of Bimah, as in the synagogue?
We have already shown for the Domus Galileae , but we have another example: in the photo below you can see the published Bimah the Redemptoris Mater Seminary of Macerata. It is part of the pseudo-Jewish mania that we have already widely stigmatized ... [See ] and [ also ]
The principal elements of the Synagogue are the Bimah (called by Tevah Sephardim), which is the pulpit from which the Torah is read and Aron, Aron ha-Kodes "sacred enclosure". It is the closet place on the east wall of the synagogue, once to Jerusalem. There the Torah scrolls are kept, covered their ornaments.
In the picture we see another element that Christian synagogue: the use of the seats without kneeling (it is known that CN is not never even kneel during the Consecration) . In the synagogue, every seat in front of him a cassette containing the Chummash (Holy Scriptures) and Siddurim (prayer books) belonging to the individual. In fact, the seats that we see in the picture, instead dell'inginocchiatoio have the lectern. Greater role of Scripture against the Living Word?


For completeness of information: text reported by Adista

"Opposition to the Movement neocatecumenale going far beyond national borders. In 1996 the way he stopped in England. Card. Basil Hume, the Catholic primate of the Church of England, refused to order fifteen priests, seminarians training neocatecumenale (see Adista No. 67/96 and "Jesus" in January 1997). The reasoning was that these seminarians, once ordered, they would have as a reference point, rather than their own bishop, the leaders of their communities, thus creating problems within the diocese. "

Here, again by Adista on Neocatechumenals and the UK (the news is in 2002):

" Bishop Meryn Alban Alexander, Bishop of Clifton, has prohibited the spread of the movement within his diocese. Back in March '94 the same Alexander had promulgated a decree which imposed severe restrictions for twelve months to the Movement: no new catechism, no Easter Vigil Mass on Saturday or separated from the rest of the ecclesial community. At the end of '96 (see Adista No. 79/96), in the diocese of Clifton were published the results of an investigation of the movement desired by the bishop, through a committee chaired by Tom Millington (Member of the Lord Chancellor's Department) and settled in January of that year. This investigation took advantage of meetings with members of the Movement, pastors, priests and parishioners. The conclusions were not encouraging for the followers of Kiko: No new vitality brought by the Way in the parish community, but rather division and damage done by the introduction of experience in the diocese and communion with the bishop. "

The information speak of investigations , verification number (which revealed the same things that are denounced by us), episcopal decrees. Where is here with us all this? Of course in voice and in the writings of some priests and several bishops. But they seem to voices crying in the wilderness, we want to add ours!

Sunday, August 15, 2010

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COMPLETE ROSARY IN LATIN

together tonight at 21.30 to complete the rosary in Latin in honor of Our Lady. DO NOT MISS
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