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Seminars CNC "Redemptoris Mater" Neocatechumenals

Seminars CNC "Redemptoris Mater"
inconsistencies, misrepresentations

A proper update, which it remains only in the expectations and hopes, because so far nothing has really changed! Despite in his speech at the meeting of 10 January , the S. Father has said, among other ... "I thank the Chancellor and his colleagues at the Redemptoris Mater seminary in Rome for the educational work they perform. Their task is not easy, but very important for the future of the Church. Therefore, I encourage them to continue this mission, taking addresses training as proposed by the Holy See and the Diocese . The objective which we must seek by all educators is to prepare priests are well integrated into the diocesan clergy and the parish pastoral and diocesan .

But how to reconcile these words centered with the fact that the statute continues to assign the dominant role of leadership to the laity, which leaves unchanged the stigma about this page?

Seminars RM, according to the statute, "are built by the diocesan bishops, in agreement with the International Team Head of the Way, and are governed according to the rules for the formation of diocesan clergy and incardination and according to its statutes, implementing Ratio fundamentalis institutionis sacerdotalis. In they are candidates for the priesthood in participation in the Neocatechumenal a specific element of the training and basic . "

How is it that the founders of the way with both formative role in the founding of the seminars the same dignity of bishops?

for the fact that priests who have retired from Redemptoris Mater is due exclusively to Kiko (or entities associated with it: the catechists) there is absolutely no doubt. Also no doubt that these seminars, although still formally the diocesan ordinary, in fact, have a training and management independence. Seminars are parallel to those of traditional not be denied.

not neglect what he thought the Pope and the text is taken from the Address of John Paul II to priests of the communities Catechumenals, Monday, December 9, 1985:

"" The first requirement is imposed that there is to know mantener faith, within the Communities, your priestly identity. By virtue of their ordination you have been marked with a special character that conformed to Christ the Priest, so you can act on its behalf (cf. PO 2). The sacred minister must then be accepted not only as a brother who shares the journey of the Community itself, but also as one who, acting in persona Christi ", carries the responsibility of Master irreplaceable, sanctifying and guiding the souls to whom responsibility In no way give up. Lay must be able to grasp these realities by responsible behavior that you keep. It would be illusory to believe that serve the Gospel, by diluting your charism in a false sense of humility or in misunderstood manifestation of brotherhood. I will repeat what has already had occasion to tell the assistants of international associations Catholic Church: "Do not be fooled! The Church wants priests and lay people you meet will want nothing but priests and priests. The confusion of charisms impoverishes the Church, not the rich "(John Paul II, Homily, 4, 13 December 1979: Teachings of Pope John Paul II, II / 2 [1979] 1391)."

And before that, remember As the then Cardinal Ratzinger stated in the letter " Sacerdotium ministerial." Some questions regarding the minister of the Eucharist of August 6, 1983

think they have taken into account, while they advertise and become stronger than any words of approval and encouragement. But of these, very eloquent and meaningful, what they did and still make it? Andateglielo to say, if you can!

And, again, the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

1562 "Christ, consecrated and sent into the world by the Father, through his Apostles made partakers of his consecration and mission of their successors, the bishops, who have legitimate expectations, in varying degrees, the office of the ministry of several parties in the Church [Conc Ecumenical Council, Lumen Gentium, 28]. "The [their] ministerial function was passed in a subordinate degree to priests so that they, being in the Order of the priesthood, were collaborators of the Order of Bishops, for the proper fulfillment of the apostolic mission entrusted by Christ "[Conc Ecumenical Council, PO 2].

1563 "The office of priests, being closely united to the Order of Bishops, participates in the authority by which Christ himself builds up and sanctifies and rules his Body. For this reason, the priesthood, while indeed it presupposes the sacraments of Christian initiation, is conferred by that special sacrament for which the priests by the anointing of the Holy Spirit, are marked with a special character which configures them to Christ as Priest, in order to act on behalf and in the person of Christ the Head "[Conc Ecumenical Council, PO 2].
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1567 "Priests, prudent cooperators with the episcopal order and its support and instrument, called to serve the People of God, constitute one single priesthood with their bishop, although with differing offices. In each local assembly of believers make, so to speak, present the bishop, they are united in a spirit of trust and generosity, in sharing part of its duties and solicitude and in their daily practice "[Second Vatican Ecumenical Council , Lumen Gentium, 28]. The priests can not exercise their ministry if not dependence on the bishop and in communion with him. The promise of obedience they make to the bishop at the time of ordination and the kiss of peace from the bishop at the end of the ordination liturgy mean that the bishop considers them his co-workers, his sons, his brothers and his friends, and that in return, they owe him love and obedience.

1568 "Priests, made by order of the priesthood ordering, are all joined together in a priestly fraternity, but in a special way they form a single priesthood in the diocese to which they are attached under their own bishop "[Conc Ecumenical Council, PO 8]. The unity of the priest finds expression in the liturgical tradition according to which, during the ordination rite, the priests, after the bishop, require also the hands.

are all things that, when ordering, if only the 'formal', seminarians RM adhere too. The problem is that then, instead of obeying the bishops obey Kiko and their organizational structure.

What one wonders, what the Bishops say about all this? Because they enabled the proliferation and perpetuation of this 'indigestible soup'? The fact is

that seminaries are cranking out RM "priests" to kikismo faithful, who will join in the near future of that hierarchy, ( in the current path is marked by the inverted cross pictorially [ see in reference to John Paul II]), which would be so bent to the will of the vertices inside Neocatechumenals. Understand the difference between high priests sometimes favorable to the path and those who are fanatics prelates of the way and completely dependent on Kiko / Carmen (from their practices, their theology and liturgy, of which we now have only a "little taste") and their offspring legally constituted.

We know this is a frightening scenario, but to fully understand what is necessary to curb this phenomenon which threatens to distort the essence of the Roman Catholic Apostolic Church.

Because now it is a fact that the journey is an end in sex, what about those families and all the seminarians around the world to the so-called implantation ECCLESIAE, but actually to disseminate the verb and methods kikiani?

Stop Kiko and Carmen can, and indeed it should. Is that Arinze's letter had no effect, not enough, therapy should unfortunately, be more radical, it must call into question the principles and basic shapes of the CNC must destroy 'the spell' that keeps tied together (check with skills that Kiko has been placed to protect 'sacrificing' one of his pawns leading Mr. Gennarini).

The real problem is: you can save 'both ways'? If there really was CNC Christian initiation, the individual members would also be safer for the if there were fewer neocatecumenale hierarchy, would be protected by the Catholic tradition and the primacy of Peter. If you really were inserted in the parishes, the loss of the hierarchy neocatecumenale not have serious consequences.

The fact is that the CNC all these features are just a braggart, smoke and mirrors for the pastors and the faithful. We believe that the Holy See will continue his calls for degrees in beyond hope of repentance to come and that if some will be a long and difficult process.

thank the Lord who gave us Pope Benedict XVI, appoggiamolo also in prayer and remain faithful to his teaching and in the meantime, we keep our eyes open to see the reality:

basic considerations:

According to Kiko Arguello Redemptoris Mater seminaries are born by the decree''Presbyterorum Ordinis''No. 10: "Let them remember that priests must therefore be at their heart a concern for all churches ... It is called for apostolic reasons (lack of priests) will facilitate not only a functional distribution of priests, but also the implementation of specific pastoral initiatives ... For this purpose there should be the creation of international seminars ... for the good of the whole church, according to rules to be determined for each of these institutions and respecting the rights of the local Ordinary. "

And again: Seminars RM, according to the Regulations, "are built by the diocesan bishops, in agreement with the International Team Head of the Way, and are governed according to the rules for the formation of diocesan clergy and incardination and according to its statutes, implementing Ratio fundamentalis institutionis sacerdotalis. In them are candidates for the priesthood in participation in the Neocatechumenal a specific, basic element of the training. "

first evidence that you can see:

How is it that the founders of the way with both the formative role founding of the seminars the same dignity of bishops? In fact greater, because as a bishop has jurisdiction in his diocese, Kiko has jurisdiction over all the seminaries in every diocese in the world.

consequences of all this:

On the way there are two types of priests:

1. 
   
   those who not only have formed in the RM and that should not follow the teachings of the Church (though expected to attend courses in the faculties of theology theological), but are subject to all training completed neocatecumenale (stages, steps, ballots, obedience to the catechists)
2. 
   
   but also those who, despite having studied in a regular diocesan seminary, have found their vocation and have always exercised their ministry, or nearly so, on the road, or at least linked to their communities and absorb and adapt perfectly to the content and methods, rather than act as guides, rulers of the community, as the Pope and it is the prerogative of the Catholic priests ...

Notwithstanding that the ordination of priests Redemptoris Mater is valid because made by the bishops, but one wonders if the their priestly action can not be invalidated by believing and professing different things from those taught by the Church and in the celebration of the Eucharist (Protestant Supper and not sacrifice, symbolic presence and not real) and in the administration of the sacraments, especially that of reconciliation and also to believe in perfect identification with the Church of the Way, which are totally erased 2,000 years of history and teachings (from Constantine to the Vatican, taken as the foundation of the Way, without applying the continuity as stated and restated by the Pope) ... ergo we act and work in the name of the road considering that it is the true Church ...

Priests MRI validly ordained priest. On this there can be no doubt. But the validity of the order received does not imply an automatic Catholicity of the Priest himself. The validly ordained priest is formally Catholic. His intentions - very important - and his pastoral work, or put the seal to this Order ... or deny the fact. The fact that many schismatics or heretics were validly ordained priests did not stop or that they were heretics or schismatics. If anything, their state Clerical aggravates the fact.

Seminarians of RM attend various courses at the diocesan seminary and then give you the exam, like their colleagues neocatharsis. So it is difficult to formally accuse them of heresy. It will also be difficult for a priest NC put in writing their own vision of the church, precisely because the journey never take official positions and personal, only the founders can do, so it will be impossible to prove heresy.

Eventually the largest ambiguity, to predict the Way as normal diocesan formation program WHOLE ITER, in Redemptoris Mater, proved to be a 'horse Trojan 'to creep into the Church, despite the attempt to cattolicizzare NC made the journey through the instrument of the Statutes approved experimentally for the first , and now finally, but - as is well known - never applied by the Way, which treated them and them as the only formal recognition and legitimacy of its existence and identity of his tough, which is not clear from the statutes, as many of the practices ultraquarentennali there are neither planned nor regulated then, as they continue to be unduly subject to the 'Arcane' term it is not suitable to Christianity as a sect ...

Also in line with the reasoning as before, and in view of what it means to the ministerial priesthood for the Church, what should a priest RM - RM or not living within its pastoral care of the Way NC - in front of directives the Pope and the Diocesan Bishop on Pastoral Liturgy and taking into account the hierarchical structure of the Church? In other words, because it obeys the directives of Kiko rather than those of the Pope on the liturgy, which he dictated the letter of the card. Arinze? There should be no action and attention of the Church against its priests (assuming its even as those formed by RM Seminars - which are de facto if not de jure are -) that are to follow a secular rather than the Pope? Why was not used and not used paving severity used against Lefevbriani, much less distant from the Catholic Tradition?

The heart of the problem is how can we accept the ecclesial role of a priest who has received training to learn to reject some of the truths taught by the Church. It therefore requires a more specific question: When involved the consistency and absolute fidelity to the tenets, this is not a reason to discredit the order? What is the point from the standpoint of canon law to reaffirm the validity of an order denying in fact a part of theology? The disavowal

theological and dogmatic denial are not we be the validity decay regulated directions? These were not exactly conducive to condemn in the past have done for so many religious heresy variously creative and imaginative interpretation of the Scriptures and their role? These questions, sooner or later, will have get on the board of the Congregation for the Clergy, investing directly because the essence of the priestly office, is now seriously compromised by the formation of neocatecumenale 'priests' of the Way.

The Church must take into account that while there are many Christians who no longer attend Mass in parishes in which they operate only Neocatechumenals and there is no other ministry did not consider valid, in good conscience, the celebration officiated by the priests of the NC Way!

For our part, we suspend all our consideration, deferring to what the Holy See will not fail to show up all the concerns raised by the NC Way.

And now, the latest news
reported from the site Catechumenium

Three new Redemptoris Mater seminaries, one in Pakistan

It ended last weekend at the International Centre of Neocatechumenal "Servant of Yahweh" in Porto San Giorgio (Ascoli Piceno) coexistence of the traditional annual seminarians from the Redemptoris Mater Seminaries all the world, along with aspiring seminarians from communities throughout the five continents, who have concluded the time of personal discernment about the vocation to the priesthood, who lived in the various vocational centers.

The wait for the announcement of new workshops, in addition to 64 already existing, it is not disappointed. In fact, Kiko has announced that will soon open three new seminars RM:

- Murcia (Spain) (which so far has given many vocations, Kiko says there is no RM Seminar where there is a vocation of Murcia )
-Dar es Salaam (Tanzania) (where Cardinal Polycarp Pengo asked him for a long time, a hope more for the evangelization of Africa, which proceeds despite the many difficulties);
- Pakistan (one of the few Islamic countries that let the missionaries), even miraculous event in relation to recent events involving the person of the Holy Father for the (wonderful) "speech in Regensburg.

It was also then created the seminar "mixed" in Venice , already announced last year, but that the Patriarch Cardinal Ettore Scola launched this year alone (Such as that experienced in Florence) that is where the brothers (for now a couple) live and participate in the life of the diocesan seminary pre-existing, but with permission to continue the journey in local communities, participate in partnerships, to the period of itinerancy preparation for the mission as all the other seminarians RM.

This is also a good news that shows, once again had it not been already sufficient in the past, as the Way is open to collaboration with the diocese without his distorted view of the peculiarity of training boys for the priesthood from the experience neocatecumenale.

Of all this we can justly give praise to God
AS - catechumenium.it

Comment:

'The Way is open to collaboration with the diocese', as they say, or are those who collaborate with the journey by accepting the terms of the way seminarians who continue their education NC.

you think the exact wording 'has been opened a joint seminar'? for the simple release of two seminarians NC? It is not the usual conjugation of the facts from the point of view neocatecumenale which also goes against all logic?

Now go to 'pollute' is also the diocesan seminaries? Perhaps the Bishop has decided to have them under control, but in reality it is because he sbracato host and teach (at the expense of the diocese) and they continue their education NC ...!!!!

However, if just two Neocatechumenals seminarians in diocesan seminary for it to become "mixed", imagine what they can never mean the "over 64 seminars RM" in the picture.

As for diction

seminar "mixed", probably is much more straightforward to assume a kind of punishment imposed on seminarians Scola RM neocatecumenale rather than a pollution of the diocesan seminary (we already know that the Neocatechumenals are able to present the "beatings" received as if they were high premiums: we have printed on the face an expression of surprise at the acrobatic performances Gennarini of Kiko and the beginning of this year in order to Arinze's letter).

way: if you look in the internet you will find that Ettore Scola is a director of Italian comedies, just as the announcement of three new "seminars" If you look in the internet RM Angelo Scola finally found Patriarch of Venice.

Evidently, the Neocatechumenal editor of the news (and the repeater copy and paste the site Segnideitempi) are more familiar with the films broadcast on TV ("Let 'talk about women", "The arch-fiend," "dance dance", "The Journey of Captain Fracassa", "Will our heroes to find his friend mysteriously disappeared in Africa? "," ugly dirty and bad "," The new monsters, etc..: all titles that seem comically addressed to Neocatechumenals) rather than the Cardinal Patriarch of Venice.

An old adage said: "Do not hate the flatterers, for they are useful: in fact well know to identify your faults and report them in a gentle way."

Well, this applies perfectly to the press release propaganda neocatecumenale:

"This is also a good news that shows, once again if it were not already enough in the past, as the Way is open to collaboration with the diocese without seeing distorted its peculiarity of training boys for the priesthood from neocatecumenale experience. "

Italian translation:

"Even on this article (as usual we are obliged to present as good) demonstrates once again that candidates for the priesthood from experience neocatecumenale not want to train in a seminar normal not to see the distorted features of the road.

"Yes, you read that right:" distorted "did not say" little value "or" ignored ", but even" distorted "evidently" nature "of the walker is in contrast with the most basic characteristics required for training priesthood.

"This clearly contradicts the claims half a second before, because if the Way" collaborators "with the diocese, there would be no need to open seminars Neocatechumenals: a young man who wants to become a missionary priest and there should be enough (but this could only happen if the Way do the same things that makes the whole Church, which has never happened).

"The opening of a seminar is a great RM news for the Way, because it means the ability to propagate the kikismo else in the world and, if possible, bishops of the candidates for the future (it being understood that the problem is not enough to become bishops, priests be affected).

is the last straw! CI Excuse Both Bishops, but they are sleeping or pretend not to see and feel?

Finally it was announced the opening of a new seminary in NC Pakistan! A reality 'so-called' Catholic in a Muslim country!

Certainly not enough to announce the birth of a seminar from there until leaving for Pakistan the priests, will be only one residence in any one geographical location (only, more dangerous than the other).

If it were true it would still be a huge publicity stunt, the fact that in reality functions would, however, to be verified. Note, however, the cunning

: Kiko would fall in any case still standing:
- if nothing happened, well, a crowning achievement for him
- were to go badly for those poor people in Pakistan ... try a little 'thinking which unfortunately would procure the propaganda of the CNC?

What about the use of Bimah, as in the synagogue?

We have already shown for the Domus Galileae , but we have another example: in the photo below you can see the published Bimah the Redemptoris Mater Seminary of Macerata. It is part of the pseudo-Jewish mania that we have already widely stigmatized ... [See ] and [ also ]

The principal elements of the Synagogue are the Bimah (called by Tevah Sephardim), which is the pulpit from which the Torah is read and Aron, Aron ha-Kodes "sacred enclosure". It is the closet place on the east wall of the synagogue, once to Jerusalem. There the Torah scrolls are kept, covered their ornaments.

In the picture we see another element that Christian synagogue: the use of the seats without kneeling (it is known that CN is not never even kneel during the Consecration) . In the synagogue, every seat in front of him a cassette containing the Chummash (Holy Scriptures) and Siddurim (prayer books) belonging to the individual. In fact, the seats that we see in the picture, instead dell'inginocchiatoio have the lectern. Greater role of Scripture against the Living Word?

For completeness of information: text reported by Adista

"Opposition to the Movement neocatecumenale going far beyond national borders. In 1996 the way he stopped in England. Card. Basil Hume, the Catholic primate of the Church of England, refused to order fifteen priests, seminarians training neocatecumenale (see Adista No. 67/96 and "Jesus" in January 1997). The reasoning was that these seminarians, once ordered, they would have as a reference point, rather than their own bishop, the leaders of their communities, thus creating problems within the diocese. "

Here, again by Adista on Neocatechumenals and the UK (the news is in 2002):

" Bishop Meryn Alban Alexander, Bishop of Clifton, has prohibited the spread of the movement within his diocese. Back in March '94 the same Alexander had promulgated a decree which imposed severe restrictions for twelve months to the Movement: no new catechism, no Easter Vigil Mass on Saturday or separated from the rest of the ecclesial community. At the end of '96 (see Adista No. 79/96), in the diocese of Clifton were published the results of an investigation of the movement desired by the bishop, through a committee chaired by Tom Millington (Member of the Lord Chancellor's Department) and settled in January of that year. This investigation took advantage of meetings with members of the Movement, pastors, priests and parishioners. The conclusions were not encouraging for the followers of Kiko: No new vitality brought by the Way in the parish community, but rather division and damage done by the introduction of experience in the diocese and communion with the bishop. "

The information speak of investigations , verification number (which revealed the same things that are denounced by us), episcopal decrees. Where is here with us all this? Of course in voice and in the writings of some priests and several bishops. But they seem to voices crying in the wilderness, we want to add ours!